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On the phone with RFK Jr. when he lost his mind — Greg Palast talks with Egberto off the Record

Playback speed 1× Subtitles Share post Share post at current time Share from 3:50 23:11 / 30:05 Transcript Search Welcome to another edition of Egberto of the Record. Today, we are honored to have with us Greg Pallas. Greg Pallas is known for his investigative reports for The Guardian and bestsellers, including the best democracy money can buy. Greg Pallas' new film about the latest attacks on the right to vote that bent this election, it's called Vigilantes Inc., America's New Vote Suppression Hitman. narrated by Rosario Dawson and produced by Martin Sheen, Leonardo DiCaprio. It has released the film for free streaming at gregpalace.com. Hey, Greg, how you doing this morning? Glad to be with you again, Egberto. Well, you know, I always like to interview because you always have something new for the audience. And this time around, it's a blog piece that you wrote that I want to say tickled my fence. You wrote a piece titled, I was on the phone with RFK Jr. when he lost his mind. And I don't want us to get into this immediately because I want to get a few more people on beforehand. So why don't you tell a little bit about your experiences and what you do, and then we'll get into that specific blog afterwards. Okay, for those who don't know Greg Pallast, you can tell by my hat that I'm an investigative reporter, which I did for many years for The Guardian out of England, BBC Television, Rolling Stone. And now, by the way, I'm now a columnist with Raw Story. But you can find all my reports at gregpallast.com. Now, 43 1 10 On the phone with JFK Jr. when he lost his mind -- Greg Palast talks with Egberto off the Record

Greg Palast warns of RFK Jr.’s troubling Trump alliance and the rise of modern voter suppression. Independent media reveals what mainstream outlets won’t about the fight for democracy.

Greg Palast talks JFK Jr.

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In a substantive conversation, investigative journalist Greg Palast joins Egberto Willies on Politics Done Right to discuss his explosive article“I Was on the Phone with RFK Jr. When He Lost His Mind.” Palast recounts his past partnership with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and his deep concern over Kennedy’s transformation into a figure promoting dangerous anti-vaccine rhetoric and aligning with Donald Trump. The discussion expands to expose voter suppression tactics rooted in Ku Klux Klan-era methods, now digitized and weaponized against people of color, threatening democracy ahead of the 2024 election. Palast’s film Vigilantes, Inc. reveals these threats in detail.

This conversation highlights a terrifying convergence of authoritarianism and corporate manipulation. RFK Jr.’s betrayal of his legacy reflects how trauma and opportunism can corrode even the most progressive champions. Meanwhile, Trump’s embrace of voter suppression through groups like Charlie Kirk’s network represents a direct assault on democracy. Independent media must rise to fill the void left by mainstream outlets that have chosen compliance over truth.


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Greg Palast’s conversation with Egberto Willies serves as both a warning and a call to action for anyone who values democracy and the pursuit of truth. Palast, a veteran investigative journalist known for uncovering corporate and political corruption, begins by recounting his long and close relationship with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. The two once collaborated on progressive causes, including voting rights and environmental protection. Kennedy was once a fierce advocate for clean energy and public health, a legal scholar who fought to protect the environment from corporate polluters.

But as Palast describes in his deeply personal account, something changed. Kennedy, who endured a lifetime of trauma — from witnessing his father’s assassination to the tragic suicide of his wife — began to exhibit alarming mental instability. A shocking revelation later confirmed that RFK Jr. had a live parasite in his brain, but Palast argues that trauma alone does not excuse his recent actions. Today, Kennedy has become a central figure in the anti-vaccine movement, spreading dangerous misinformation that has cost lives. Most disturbingly, he abruptly halted critical mRNA research that had the potential to unlock cancer vaccines and other groundbreaking treatments. By doing so, Kennedy has endangered not only public health but also the lives of millions who depend on scientific progress.

Kennedy’s political alignment with Donald Trump represents a complete betrayal of his former values. Trump, who has systematically dismantled environmental protections and waged war on climate science, stands in direct opposition to everything Kennedy once championed. Yet Kennedy now stands beside Trump, endorsing policies that would accelerate global warming and strip away basic health protections. This alignment is not just hypocrisy; it is a sign of how deeply authoritarian forces have co-opted figures once seen as progressive.

Palast’s investigative work goes beyond Kennedy’s troubling personal transformation. In his new documentary, Vigilantes, Inc., he exposes a chilling strategy to suppress the votes of millions of Americans, particularly voters of color. The film traces these tactics back to the Ku Klux Klan, which in 1946 launched campaigns to challenge Black voters at polling places. Today, these same methods have been digitized. Trump-aligned groups, including organizations tied to right-wing activist Charlie Kirk, are using sophisticated databases to challenge the eligibility of millions of voters.

Palast recounts the story of Major Gamaliel Turner, a Black military officer stationed in California whose ballot was denied in Georgia because he had been falsely challenged. Turner would have had to travel 2,500 miles to prove his right to vote. This was not an isolated incident: over 4.7 million voters were purged before the 2024 election, with Palast’s team finding that two-thirds of those removals were wrong. This kind of systemic disenfranchisement could swing entire states — and thus the presidency — by silencing marginalized communities.

The conversation concludes with a stark warning: mainstream media has failed to confront these threats. Instead, they have normalized Trump’s authoritarian tactics, leaving independent media as the last line of defense. As Palast and Willies emphasize, the fight to preserve democracy requires active resistance. Voters must check their registration status at vote.org, support independent journalism, and reject the culture of silence that allows fascism to grow unchecked.

Kennedy’s descent into Trumpism is a tragic personal story, but the broader threat is systemic. Palast’s work reminds us that democracy is not self-sustaining. It requires vigilance, truth-telling, and an unwavering commitment to justice. If Americans do not confront these forces now, they risk losing the very foundation of their republic.

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